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61-62 Cadillac Owners Group => General Discussions => Topic started by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on December 04, 2015, 07:07:22 PM

Title: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on December 04, 2015, 07:07:22 PM
Well, first and foremost is my expressed gratitude to the rebirth of the board.  I imagine, I was as depressed as everyone else when suddenly the old one was gone and stayed gone for far too long.  I'm glad it's back.  Thank you!!!

Summer was fun.  Never once went into the garage.  All is well.  Busy, as ever.

Winter is back, and so I'm working on car again.  Yes!

The first picture is of where I left off last Spring.  Lots and lots of work. 
The second is progress on the floor.  It's shiny because the paint hadn't dried yet.

It's so good to see guys again.
Take care
Jeff
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62 Coupe on December 04, 2015, 08:00:31 PM
Nice to see you back Jeff. Looking forward to seeing your vert evolve over the winter!
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62droptop on December 04, 2015, 10:45:54 PM
looks awesome

your work is very inspiring
if you can bring that car back, there is hope for most all others

Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on December 07, 2015, 12:07:40 PM
Yesterday, I was chipping the oxidation out of the trunk pan.  If you remember, the fire wall and entire floor is from a four door sedan I disassembled last winter; one spot weld at a time.  The original floor of the convertible was not salvageable, nothing but rust, nothing left.  The trunk of the sedan does need some repair.  It's discouraging, but nothing I can't handle.  Anyway I needed some inspiration to buck up my resolve.  So, I stared at a nice part of the car for awhile.  It worked.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62droptop on December 07, 2015, 08:22:59 PM
Yesterday, I was chipping the oxidation out of the trunk pan.  If you remember, the fire wall and entire floor is from a four door sedan I disassembled last winter; one spot weld at a time.  The original floor of the convertible was not salvageable, nothing but rust, nothing left.  The trunk of the sedan does need some repair.  It's discouraging, but nothing I can't handle.  Anyway I needed some inspiration to buck up my resolve.  So, I stared at a nice part of the car for awhile.  It worked.

gawd damn that looks awesome Jeffery

I really can wait to see the rest of the car
I know it will be a real looker with a realistic paint job
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62 Coupe on December 07, 2015, 09:12:39 PM
Jeff, I know what you mean about the rust repair. It takes a special kind of resolve to keep plugging away at it and keeping to a certain standard. To break up the monotony of rust repair I put a 5 speed standard in at one point and at another a Ford 9" diff just to be doing something mechanical. Or at least that's what I tell myself  ::)

Keep up the good work, you have made amazing progress so far. I'm looking forward to this winters results.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62droptop on December 07, 2015, 10:37:58 PM
your car must be a later 62 as it does not have the lower rad  hose frame notch cut out
 
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on December 08, 2015, 12:36:28 PM
At 62droptop,
You are correct Sir.  The Sedan was the earlier version with the radiator hose notch.  There were some other subtle differences, including the absence of two attachment points for the body.  although the difference in attachment points may be Sedan vs Convertible.  I don't know.  The floors are interchangeable, I hope, although they do have minor differences that I believe are Sedan Vs convertible related.  Most strikingly is the addition of an extra floor brace under the rear floor pan of the convertible.  I think those were added to prevent sagging from people standing with their full weight while getting in and out of the convertible vs swinging your legs in and out while sitting in the sedan.  And, a curved seam line on the rear wheel wells to accommodate the top while folded down.  That and the obvious difference in how the rear seats are supported.

Way too much time looking at stuff.

Jeff
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Mr C on December 09, 2015, 12:01:35 PM
Good to see you made here Jeff,
I  can see you have punched in a few good days and sleepless nights into your ragtop, it's coming together very nice.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on December 14, 2015, 12:33:34 PM
All the white in the first picture is treated surface rust.  There's lots of pitting and big holes under the spare tire mount.
The second picture is of the mount removed.  I'm going to clean that up and reuse it.
The third is of a fitted patch, not welded in yet.  Ran out of time, plus I need to learn to weld. (DUH!)

The trunk is definitely slowing me down.  Lots of work in there.  Not sure if I'm going to attempt to reproduce the grooves/corrugation, although doing so would be cool, it is just the trunk!  Why?  It's going to be covered up with carpet.  Probably not going to bother.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62 Coupe on December 14, 2015, 02:08:00 PM
Seeing as how you are going to be pounding own the Alaska roads, I wouldn't worry about the corrugations, I'd worry about a skid plate! Just kidding of course.

Looking good.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Clewisiii on June 03, 2016, 07:16:42 PM
Mr.Rogers how have you been.  Any progress since the frozen north thawed out. 
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62 driver on June 04, 2016, 05:36:20 AM
Jeff I say patch it and move on. You can always go back and put a pan in later.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on February 28, 2017, 01:20:23 PM
I'm Back,
Almost forgot about you guys!  ;)
Life took a total U-turn for awhile.  A long while!  It's a long story.  All good.  No Bad.  Just no time for my 'Dream of Dreams'.
But, I'm back!

Cleaning up engine parts and 'soft' placing them back on the engine and working on the sheet metal.   Fun, fun, fun.  Adding the front clip back on was my latest effort.

My goals have chilled a bit.  I do want to get the rear quarter panels back on before summer hits.

I will try to stay in touch better.

Enjoy!

Jeffrey A. Rogers 

You guys are awesome
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62 Coupe on February 28, 2017, 03:57:54 PM
Good to see you back Jeffrey. Got to admit, I've been a little quiet too. Been a nasty winter here compounded by not having a heated garage :(
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Clewisiii on February 28, 2017, 07:32:09 PM
Very Glade to here from you.  Good luck.  Keep us posted on your progress.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62droptop on February 28, 2017, 10:51:08 PM
welcome back Jeffery
been wondering what has been going on waaaaay up north there
car looks great
the  way you are going your car will be done before mine, I haven't even seen mine in over a year and it hasn't been driven since aug 13 :'(
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Peter.1961 on March 05, 2017, 01:43:42 PM
the  way you are going your car will be done before mine, I haven't even seen mine in over a year and it hasn't been driven since aug 13 :'(

For those who my miss it, that is August 2013, not August 13th :-)

Jeffrey, good to have you back!
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62droptop on March 06, 2017, 11:55:12 PM
the  way you are going your car will be done before mine, I haven't even seen mine in over a year and it hasn't been driven since aug 13 :'(

For those who my miss it, that is August 2013, not August 13th :-)

Jeffrey, good to have you back!
thanks Peter!

I may be in your area next march!
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Peter.1961 on March 08, 2017, 09:00:40 PM
the  way you are going your car will be done before mine, I haven't even seen mine in over a year and it hasn't been driven since aug 13 :'(

For those who my miss it, that is August 2013, not August 13th :-)

Jeffrey, good to have you back!
thanks Peter!

I may be in your area next march!


Let me know!
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on March 21, 2017, 03:09:46 PM
BOLT THOSE ON NOW!!!!!  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on March 21, 2017, 03:13:01 PM
Oh baby those look nice!  ;D
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Clewisiii on March 21, 2017, 03:21:49 PM
I will trade you.  I would even do 2 for 1. Those look very nice.  Very little corrosion.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on March 21, 2017, 04:15:00 PM
Fresh out of the machine shop.  Repaired the mess I made out of extracting the studs, put them through a 'tumbler' to clean off all the rust, and belt sanded the attachment faces.  You can just image a before shot.  Now they are new again.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on March 21, 2017, 04:18:39 PM
FORREST FRESH ;D
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on March 28, 2017, 11:33:53 AM
Some juicy parts install pictures!  ;)
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on March 28, 2017, 11:34:41 AM
Taken through one of the holes in the fire wall.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on March 28, 2017, 11:36:21 AM
I hope to preserve the worn and torn, weathered patina on all the parts not involved with being rebuilt.  I don't know.  I just am.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on March 28, 2017, 11:38:29 AM
Everything I've put back on so far, all has to all come back off.  Not a single new gasket anywhere!!!  :o   I just have this desire to get stuff off of my shop floor and shelves.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Perk2 on March 28, 2017, 03:01:20 PM
looking good!
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on March 29, 2017, 05:49:10 PM
Both my radiators are toast.  They both leak, and when your try to fix them, three more leaks develop.  They are just too corroded.  Not that surprised.  :'(   I'm so sad!

Not really.  :)   Just going to get a new one. 
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on March 30, 2017, 01:01:46 PM
Ouch!  Radiators are freaking expensive! 
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on April 17, 2017, 11:41:41 AM
I've got a question!
On my rebuilt engine, there is a cap on the plate under the intake manifold (1st picture).  On my other engine, that is where this vent pipe goes (2nd picture).  I'm pretty sure the cap needs to come off and be replaced with the vent pipe.  I'm I correct?
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on April 17, 2017, 11:45:59 AM
Not very exciting, but I do subscribe to the strategy of doing something, no matter how trivial.
Coil and windshield wiper motor
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Clewisiii on April 17, 2017, 12:10:59 PM
I have not seen that cap before.  The vent pipe is on both of mine. There is also a clamp the holds that pipe on the back of the engine.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Cattle Axe on April 17, 2017, 09:45:31 PM
does the car have a PVC system? this would eliminate the road draft tube.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on April 18, 2017, 12:47:36 PM
No it does not.  But thanks for the name, 'road draft tube', sounds cool.  My old one is really coated with crud!!!  I'm in the process of cleaning it up, that and the windshield wiper mechanism, and the throttle stuff that attached to the fire wall.  The excitement could be sliced and served for desert!! :)
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on April 24, 2017, 11:32:30 AM
A couple of questions.
I can no longer remember where these two grounding straps go.  Can you help me out?
the pulley wheel for the power steering pump is hanging up on something and will not slide off?  What I'm I doing wrong?
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Cattle Axe on April 24, 2017, 12:57:56 PM
I think the big one goes from the stater bolt to a bolt on the trans to engine. little one from head to fire wall I think there should be 2 of them.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Dan LeBlanc on April 24, 2017, 01:39:50 PM
Jim is right on the small one.  They are the cylinder head to firewall ground straps.

The large one goes from the upper bolt on the starter to the frame.  There should be a threaded hole on the top of the frame just forward of the firewall for it. 
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Cattle Axe on April 24, 2017, 04:08:22 PM
use a gear puller on the pully
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Clewisiii on April 24, 2017, 04:18:14 PM
Put it in the freezer.  When I pulled one in the summer the puller nearly bent the pulley. When I pulled one outside in January it pulled off with my hand.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on April 24, 2017, 04:21:20 PM
I'm going to try the freezer.  I already tried a wheel puller, and all that did was begin to deform the wheel, thus the frustration.  Alternatively, I could try to heat the wheel up a smidge.
Thanks guys.
Jeff
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Clewisiii on April 24, 2017, 04:34:06 PM
I had a debate with my machine design instructor about the expansion and contraction of metals.  The question was what happens when a part with a hole in it shrinks. What happens to the hole if the outer dimension of the part shrunk.

The answer is the part shrinks to it's mass center. So studs get smaller holes get bigger.  Put arrows around all the edges of a part and draw a line to the thickest area of the part in relation to where the arrow is placed on the edge. This is true for all edges of a part inside or out.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on May 01, 2017, 11:26:52 AM
I don't know if any of that will ever get better.   :(
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on May 01, 2017, 11:27:58 AM
Well.... That's way better!   ;)


Time to buy a sheet metal bender!!!!  Weeeeeeeeee!!!!
 
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on May 01, 2017, 11:29:24 AM
Primer...  :)
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: hevfatcad on May 01, 2017, 02:10:54 PM
Hi Jeffery, I'm interested in your glove box you offered. I left my email address in messages. Let me know if you got it.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on May 01, 2017, 02:29:26 PM
I replied, sorry for the delay.
Jeff
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on May 08, 2017, 11:24:18 AM
Just that took much of a day!  Moved a bunch of stuff in the shop to make that happen, which is nice, because a lot of cleaning got done. 
Placing the rear quarter panels back onto the car was a major goal for the winter.  I'm so happy it happened.  Mostly because half my shop is now available for something else.
I am going to keep plugging away at it.  It is summer in Alaska!  Priorities lie elsewhere.  Little things matter.

Jeff

Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: russ austin on May 08, 2017, 06:40:43 PM
Holy crap, never seen one that taken apart before.  Great job on the sheet metal.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on May 08, 2017, 07:19:32 PM
It's because I'm completely crazy!  :o
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on May 09, 2017, 11:42:54 AM
Pulled an all-nighter and finished my car!!!!  ;)

Hey, I guy can dream can't he?

Vroom Vroom
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Perk2 on May 09, 2017, 11:56:50 AM
You're headed in that direction Jeff!
Keep it up!
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on May 09, 2017, 02:24:24 PM
Call me crazy, I already know you do, but mine is going to be original colors, white body, white top, and green interior.   

Everyday, in anyway, do something, no matter how small, no matter how wrong, no matter what, just do something.  Someday it'll be done.  :)
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62droptop on May 14, 2017, 10:25:18 PM
Pulled an all-nighter and finished my car!!!!  ;)

Hey, I guy can dream can't he?

Vroom Vroom

Damn Jeffery you are good, was that one of those 6 month long northern nights??
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on May 15, 2017, 11:57:59 AM
With northern lights! :)

Shifted gears this weekend.  My Son Oliver's 94 Ford Ranger blew a head gasket.  Got it down to 'clean-up & build up'.  We're saving him a heap of $$$.  Got to buy new tools and everything.  That and some firewood.

Very proud to announce, we didn't break a single bolt.  Not even the exhaust manifold's.

Jeff
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62droptop on May 17, 2017, 11:46:54 PM
With northern lights! :)

Shifted gears this weekend.  My Son Oliver's 94 Ford Ranger blew a head gasket.  Got it down to 'clean-up & build up'.  We're saving him a heap of $$$.  Got to buy new tools and everything.  That and some firewood.

Very proud to announce, we didn't break a single bolt.  Not even the exhaust manifold's.

Jeff

qood job

are you doing both heads since you are nearly there now?
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on May 18, 2017, 11:41:01 AM
No,
Nearly there?
I stare at that exhaust manifold and it just 'shivers me timbers'!

The one we did separate?  One entire hour to get one damned bolt to go back in!!!!!  :(

I had to grind it down to a spike, clean up the threads, and invite every kid in the neighborhood to help pry the exhaust here, there, and everywhere to line stuff back up.

I never have any luck with exhaust.  No matter what I try, it's off to the machine shop.

Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62droptop on May 23, 2017, 11:00:57 PM
No,
Nearly there?
I stare at that exhaust manifold and it just 'shivers me timbers'!

The one we did separate?  One entire hour to get one damned bolt to go back in!!!!!  :(

I had to grind it down to a spike, clean up the threads, and invite every kid in the neighborhood to help pry the exhaust here, there, and everywhere to line stuff back up.

I never have any luck with exhaust.  No matter what I try, it's off to the machine shop.
I agree the heat does things to exhaust making them a real pain in the ass to do
I have pulled heads with manifolds still on to make things easier when possible
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 02, 2018, 02:14:33 PM
Hi everyone,
Wow!
Long time no see.
Missed you and working on my car terribly.
Finally back at it.
Please forgive me,
Jeff
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Clewisiii on January 02, 2018, 02:35:53 PM
Glad to see you back.   I hope things are going well.  You mostly work on your car in the winter correct.  When the Alaskan weather does not permit much else.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 02, 2018, 08:14:29 PM
Some exploded views.  Cleaning seams to get ready to weld.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 02, 2018, 08:20:06 PM
Trunk patch, almost done.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 02, 2018, 08:22:39 PM
This will be nice.
All my pictures are up side down.  Hmmmmm.??
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 6Caddy2 on January 02, 2018, 09:54:12 PM
Great progress Mr. Rogers!!!! Hey nothing wrong with looking at things upside down from time to time... ;) She's gonna be a beauty when's she's done! Look forward to more photos!
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62droptop on January 02, 2018, 11:12:07 PM
Welcome back Jeffery

great to see you are progressing along nicely

when you get it done,i will have to take a trip up there to check it out!
you are only about a kajillion kilometers from me !
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 07, 2018, 10:23:31 PM
The front ends of the convertibleís rocker panels were pretty roached.  The drivers side from the sedan is deemed salvagable.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 07, 2018, 10:25:23 PM
I coped the drivers side with card stock.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 07, 2018, 10:26:53 PM
Revered it to be the passenger side.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 07, 2018, 10:29:37 PM
And soon discovered something.  The passenger side doohickey is an inch wider than the drivers side.   WHY!!??
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 07, 2018, 10:53:59 PM
Test fitted the model.  Looks OK to me.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 07, 2018, 10:56:09 PM
Flattened out the model. Ready to cut out some new pieces.
I hope this works. :)
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62droptop on January 10, 2018, 10:53:51 PM
Flattened out the model. Ready to cut out some new pieces.
I hope this works. :)

I love the hi tech CAD process you are using

I use CAD(cardboard aided design) all the time as well

just like john cash,your car is coming together one piece at a time

how cold is it up there lately?
 
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Cattle Axe on January 11, 2018, 10:41:32 AM
Sell the templates so we can all use them?
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 13, 2018, 12:35:44 PM
Lately itís been reasonable, about -15 F.


I suppose I could lay that out on gridded paper, scan it, and post it.  I donít need to sell that.  Good idea though.


Jeff



Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 17, 2018, 09:21:13 PM
Worked really hard, cut out the last bit of rust, and landed the rear quarters, ĎAí pillars, and window frame onto the fire wall and floor of the sedan.  Iíve waited a couple years to do this.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 18, 2018, 01:02:46 PM
Rocker Panel Front Tip Pattern

Pretty rough, but if you print these on 11X17 paper, you've got a great start.  Remember, this pattern is for the passenger side.

Jeff
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 22, 2018, 04:38:15 PM
Passenger side fender skirt attachment point, all formed up.

I can make a pattern now, no problem.

Jeff
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 22, 2018, 05:58:04 PM
Driver's side.

A little better.

Practice makes perfect. :)

Jeff
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 29, 2018, 12:15:44 PM
I've discovered I'm bendslecix.  It was very difficult for me to bend the metal in the correct direction for some reason, driver side, passenger side, mirror images, and everything.  Regardless, I now have new rear wheel well fender skirt attachments.
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on January 29, 2018, 12:21:13 PM
With a little bit of practice and a lot of patience, my new sheet metal brake is deemed, "MEOW"!!! :)
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62 Coupe on February 01, 2018, 10:31:47 AM
The cat's meow indeed! Nice work and perseverance!
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: Jeffrey A. Rogers on February 02, 2018, 12:54:47 PM
Thank you,

Today, I'm buying a new welder!!!

I'm already.   Time to build a convertible!

Although this weekend?   Hmmmmmmm.... No!

Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62 Coupe on February 02, 2018, 05:13:04 PM
Excellent, what welder are you looking at getting?
Title: Re: Mr. Rogers 62
Post by: 62droptop on February 03, 2018, 10:44:03 AM
With a little bit of practice and a lot of patience, my new sheet metal brake is deemed, "MEOW"!!! :)

before long you will be bending up stuff by eye without using a tape measure
nice work

make sure you get the shielding gas with a welder,it makes such a difference