Mid Century Cadillacs

General Category => Introductions => Topic started by: South_paw on October 10, 2018, 05:33:16 AM

Title: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: South_paw on October 10, 2018, 05:33:16 AM
Welcome Bronze

Glad to have you on board the Cadillac of forums  8)  Your account is now activated.

Go ahead and kick the tires. Say hi.


 
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: Bronze on October 10, 2018, 02:25:46 PM
Hi,
Martin from Sweden here. Drive a Nissan Leaf as a daily driver and feel the need to do a bit of co2 compensation by driving a V8 in the weekends :)
Used to drive a 56 Sedan De Ville and loved it but always felt that a Convertible would be the ultimate cruiser. So now i am in the process of restoring a 56 convertible. I am the type who enjoys my garage time more than driving, hence the state of my project :D
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: South_paw on October 10, 2018, 06:08:50 PM
Nice, what is the original color and what color will you paint it?
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: Bronze on October 11, 2018, 03:06:18 AM
Paint code is 12-50. Mandan red over Canyon Grey, ant that's where i am going eventually, but it has a long way to go before that. Plan is to get all things functional, like electrical, heating etc before it is time to do the "pretty" stuff. so it will live as a rough looking rolling restoration for at least a couple of years.
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: South_paw on October 11, 2018, 05:49:11 AM
Two tone convertible? That's a first. Can you share a picture of the firewall tag. I would love to see it.
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: Bronze on October 11, 2018, 02:21:26 PM
Sure, here it goes, I got a similar reaction on the CLC forum. I hope i have not misunderstood it, but my understanding is that it means a Canyon grey car with only the little part above the chrome trim on top of the door in red which then continues on the inside, windshield frame for example.
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: South_paw on October 11, 2018, 05:47:20 PM
Ok, this car is a very late build. 8220 out of 8300 built. Most likely built in late June of 1956. Although i think this two tone is a typo on the data tag. Anything is possible with Cadillac. You need to order the built sheet for this car. That will confirm or deny the two tone codes on your tag. The reason I'm thinking typo is because this would have been a special request for a convertible and that would have had an SO# for the color code. Especially because it was not a recommended two tone combination.

Once again. Welcome to the forum. Be sure to checkout and try all of the options and features we have here on this forum. As you probably already noticed, much easier to post pictures when compared to the CLC forum  8)
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: South_paw on October 11, 2018, 06:06:56 PM
Well I learned something new today. I just went thru my collection of built sheets. I have about 100 of them and most are from 1956. I found another two tone convertible. This one is black lower color with white upper color and a white top. It's something I never considered in the past so I never looked for it. Gotta love it. If you do get the built sheet for your car please share it with me if you can.  8)
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: Bronze on October 11, 2018, 11:55:52 PM
Thanks for confirming that a two tone convertible at least is possible :)
Against the typo theory is that the windshield frame (under the chrome trim) is red and also residue of red on the top of the doors and quarter panels.
Then one rivet looks wrong on the tag. Can it have been messed with?
Build sheet will be ordered today!
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: Bronze on October 17, 2018, 03:28:57 AM
Hi again,
Build sheet arrived yesterday, attaching it here.
I guess it basically confirms the body tag. If i could get help with an explanation of the accessories,
Posture seat, is that just the one with a split back in 2-door cars?, "Basic GR" -A , "Equipment Group" - 32, and "Optional GR Ratio" - 1

Any other clever insights from the sheet is of course highly appreciated! :)
/Martin
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: JAG56Cad on October 17, 2018, 01:17:31 PM
Hi again,
Build sheet arrived yesterday, attaching it here.
I guess it basically confirms the body tag. If i could get help with an explanation of the accessories,
Posture seat, is that just the one with a split back in 2-door cars?, "Basic GR" -A , "Equipment Group" - 32, and "Optional GR Ratio" - 1

Any other clever insights from the sheet is of course highly appreciated! :)
/Martin

Martin,

Same reply as the one you have at the CLC site.   ;)

Well it is official both match your id tag and built sheet shows it is a two tone convertible, lower 12 and roof (in your case just the upper section of the windshield) 50.

The posture seat aka two-way seat electric adjustment for convertibles.

Your id ACC shows came with EHY, E=E-Z Eye Glass, H=Heather and Y=Tilt seat adjuster (which matches the built sheet).

The “Equipment group” shows what other factory install accessories that could be added/install equipment group “3”;
U Autronic Eye
F Fog Lamps
D Dor-Guards
The “2” represent the type of license plates frames size.

If any of these are added by the factory they would also be shown under the plate ACC and the built sheet options.

The optional gear ratio list to show that it came with the 3.36-1 as an optional for your model.

If you download the ’56 file from the GM Heritage site it should have the brake down under the “The new card specs manual” section.

HTH
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: Bronze on October 17, 2018, 03:06:04 PM
Thanks Jose, for again helping out and pointing me in the right direction,
Now having checked the “The new car specs manual” I understand that the Basic Group" A" = Whitewall tires, Heater, Radio and E-Z Glass
and Equipment Group "3" as you say = UFD.
 I read the sheet as that all these options were on the car as  the A and 3 are in the respective boxes in the build sheet. Is that incorrect?
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: JAG56Cad on October 17, 2018, 05:30:04 PM
Martin,

It is my understanding;   ???

“Equipment Group” column if it shows a number the items under that group can be available to be added at the dealer (I believe). If it was order with them from the manufacture there would no number at that box and the option would be listed under each option column(s).

“Basic Group” column would be the items that would show in the id tag under ACC which came from the manufacture plus the ones listed under each column as optional.

So if you had those it may show similar to the attach file.

Now I could be wrong in my interpretation of these codes, maybe someone can chime in with the corrections.  ;)

Hell “the boss” she tells me I’m wrong 99.99% of the time..!   ;D
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: South_paw on October 17, 2018, 06:44:21 PM
Thanks for sharing your built sheet. It's a real deal two tone convertible.  Man what a late build , 8/10. Thats cool. Interesting to see that all of the cars going to LA were ordered with the optional gear ratio. I wonder why that is? They must have known something. 
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: Bronze on October 18, 2018, 01:35:45 AM
José, I have not yet read a post where you were wrong,, so that is why i feel a bit silly for debating this topic with you ..
But ok, Basic group A:  And plate says EHY:
E-Z glass, correlates; Heater, Correlates ;
Whitewalls in the A group but not on the plate. Reasonable as they are not permanent.
Radio in A group but not on plate, Was it so common that it would not be on the plate?

Moving to Equipment group 3 of which none were added at factory in your understanding:
No fog lamps, no dor-guards (would be lost anyway), But i have holes for the Autronic eye Control box in the inner fender!
And in your logic that autronic eye was then added at dealer right?

This makes sense if my guess about the radio is correct.
What is your verdict? :)

Lou, actually don't understand Month 8 and year 10, is 8 august? but year 10???
And why is it cool to have a late build, this is something i have seen many times but never understood
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: South_paw on October 18, 2018, 05:55:21 AM
All of the 1956 buit sheets have this wrong column on it. The year is obvious in the serial # so it isn't needed. As far as the late build for me its about the built sheet more than your car. Things like NY & LA have ordered more than 10,000 cars each by August. San fran for another 7k cars. I'll bet Chicago, Boston and Detriot are right there too. Those six distributors made up 40% + of all Cadillacs built. In regard to your car being a late build. It is a good thing. You have the revised engine and transmission. Lets just say by the time they got to your car, most of the bugs were worked out. 
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: JAG56Cad on October 18, 2018, 08:59:36 AM
Martin,

Not all of the included accessories/options were stamped at the ID tag e.g. white wall tires, antifreeze, radio, etc., which is why the built sheet is essential to get all the details that came with the car from the manufacture and to validate if others were included and/or added as optional.

In my case my 62-sedan has E-H-K2-V-S-X stamped which includes the basic group “C” and the optional. The built sheet shows the basic group “C” includes K2-W-H-R-E and the optional S-V-X-U-F-D.

So you can see some are stamped on the ID tag while others are not.

If the option for Autronic-Eye was available but not install at the factory it would be logical the inner fender would have the holes ready if the option was added later at the dealer.  ???  However not sure anyone can go 62 years back to validate this logic.   ;)

Also to add to Lou's comment the "8" would the month and "10" would be the day of the month, not the year as it is shown on the sheet.   ???
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: Bronze on October 18, 2018, 02:29:55 PM
Thanks Jose and Lou,
Got all of that and will digest it over time. Seems i can choose if i want to have the autronic eye or not, which is cool considering that i actually think it's quite ugly on the dashboard.
Thanks for the logic behind appreciating late builds. My engine and trans are sadly not numbers matching as the car had an Oldsmobile engine and trans when i got it. Now it has a -56 engine with serial number 5662087743, that has been this summer's work :)
I feel this has been a very long introduction and i probably should direct further questions to the discussion categories which i surely will do.
I have a restoration thread going on in the CLC forum where i will post updates on the project.
Thanks again for all the advice i have received!
Title: Re: Welcome Bronze to Mid Century Cadillacs
Post by: JAG56Cad on October 18, 2018, 03:55:25 PM
Seems i can choose if i want to have the autronic eye or not, which is cool considering that i actually think it's quite ugly on the dashboard.

Martin,

And you want to know a secret about the Autronic-Eye, ;)   in today’s vehicles it is called “Automatic headlights” so what was old before it is new now.   :D

One word of caution if you decide to work on the unit, be careful around the amplifier (the unit that mounts on the inner fender) this box has around 700-800V AC on the output and it goes over to the photo tube that mounts on the dash.